Discussion utilisateur:Kirkburn

Hors Jeu

Hi Kirkburn,

I saw your appeal, thank you to not have acted before.

At reading Hors-jeu, and especially the Duvauchelle passage, it's more a tribute than an abuse (not even an abuse at all)...it's about the fact that he is dead just after trying to reveal the hors-jeu (offside) rules, which are very complicated (that is all the aim of the article). So...well, can we talk about it before removing the passage ? Because it's one of our featured articles, and a good one, and it's not insulting at all... How about if it was ? ? How about if Coca-Cola complains about the use of the name of some of his products in articles...we would ban everything ?

I wonder if the wikia staff will give satisfaction to all the complaints... That's not what I rode about wikipedia policies and essential aims...strong against the pressures of every kinds and from everywhere. Sorry for my bad english. I really really need answers...cause we suffer from thoses interventions...and that kind of things is the reason of being of our wiki. Put back the advertising banner if it necessary, but don't give satisfaction to the censorship, please.

Sincerely, χλςmith ΤrismégistΞ ⇒ avril 27, 2015 à 20:10 (UTC)

Complaint

Can you write here the exact complaint, please?   Ftiercel    Restaurant Sanchez   avril 28, 2015 à 04:57 (UTC)

I can't write the whole thing, unfortunately - it's a privacy complaint (and I don't want to cause more problems). However, essentially, we've been contacted by someone who is related to the person in that article ("D. D."), and they are unhappy with what it says. Of course, since this is a parody wikia, and I don't speak French, there isn't a simple answer for their issue.

Can you review that part of the article, to make sure it is funny (and not extremely mean and insulting)? (I am not asking for it to be removed.)

Thank you! Kirkburn (talk) avril 28, 2015 à 18:09 (UTC)

As I said, it's not insulting at all...I called the author, I hope he would explain it better than me soon, he is also an admin who made many things for our wiki. And as you say, it's a parodic one... But I d like to use our present case to fix it once and for all : we'll have complaint from everywhere if we start to take in account all the sensibilities... How is it for uncyclo ? XySmith avril 28, 2015 à 19:29 (UTC)

Don't worry - we are not asking you to remove it; we just want to make sure that it does not break any rules. Since we don't speak French, it's not very easy for us to check whether the article text is okay. If you say it is okay, we trust you.

The same occurs on Uncyclopedia - but it is easier for us to check, since we speak English :) We tell people who email us that it is parody and satire, and celebrities are not protected from that. It is very rare that we have to ask for something to be removed. Kirkburn (talk) avril 29, 2015 à 12:45 (UTC)

Ok, Ok, I understand...don't you need french traductors in Wiki ? Well. We 're all okay to cooperate, really, to make those procedures not leading to erase passages. And for the present case it's a celebrity and, even if he is dead (god save the queen and all those things), he goes on to belong to the french celebrities. And I repeat, it's not insulting...if my english was better i should have tried to traduct it for you but... Maybe someone else. χλςmith ΤrismégistΞ ⇒ avril 29, 2015 à 14:30 (UTC)

It's okay - we don't need a translation :) We hope to add some more French-speaking team members in the future. Kirkburn (talk) avril 29, 2015 à 14:55 (UTC)

Thanks. We don't move if needed. χλςmith ΤrismégistΞ ⇒ avril 29, 2015 à 15:32 (UTC)

Translation of the part about Mr. D.

Only few of us are hyperthymestic enough to remember Dominique Duvauchelle. A petulant journalist who had just graduated, young Dominique, as he was then known, was learning the rope among the prestigious staff of Stade 2, working with Robert Chapatte and Roger Couderc, who were regular features of TV sports in general and of the bar located between the TV station and the graveyard in particular. Stade 2 had – and I believe still has, but I have stopped watching since they scheduled D&co at the same time – one surprising characteristic : it never, ever, mentionned football. Weight-lifting, biathlon, modern pentathlon, darts, dwarf-throwing... All those beautiful sports banned from prime time and the main channels featured in this Sunday programme where football was taboo ; a few fifth-tier results sometimes managed to override this tradition thanks to a series of boards with unlikely colors and a dubious typography, but no picture, no summary, no comment, no analysis and no interview about soccer was tolerated.

Then came Dominique Duvauchelle. Aged 20 years and some dust (dust to which he returned shortly after, as the Bible had smartly predicted), he was enjoying life fully and decided this silence about football, in a sports show, was definitely out-of-date. Without telling his partners, he decided to clandestinely shoot a football report, and, knowing the limits of the feminine audience in that domain, decided to make this report about the offside rules, which is the key to fully understanding this sport. Sadly, he had hardly finished the cuts in his report when...

(Newspaper article about his early death).

Ironically, as a tribute to Dominique, the Stade 2 team decided to hire his wife Brigitte (or Béatrice, I cannot remember) to replace him. But not only did she not understand the offside rules (as anyone could expect), but neither did she get any rule of any sport, since she had been playing her husband's domestic for years and was quite bored by sport. As a result, she was made a laughing stock and the name of Duvauchelle was forever banned of the sports environment, but for one exception : the mayor of Créteil, an unrepentant cynic, decided in 1983 to call "Dominique Duvauchelle Arena" the local football grounds. Funny, but still a bit mean.

I you hate. χλςmith ΤrismégistΞ ⇒ avril 30, 2015 à 00:50 (UTC)

A word from the author

WTF??? WiiKend - Ceci était une signature mai 1, 2015 à 16:44 (UTC)

Some more words from the author

First of all I'm pretty stunned to notice that these people prefered to complain on English part of Wikia instead of posting a comment or a request in French directly in the discussion page of the article. Now about the problem itself, well it is always the same issue: To be funny sometimes you have to rely on things that are not particulary funny and that involve using dramatic events for the benefit of humour. The idea here was not to mock Dominique Duvauchelle or this family, it was to use the fact that Duvauchelles's sudden death at young age perfectly fits the premice of my article which is "the curse of the sport commentators who try to explain the offside ruling in soccer". If we start considering we can't use this kind of things in any article, well the best thing would be to stop writing anything funny (and that article is funny, you can trust me on that and the guys who elected it among the Top 10 of year 2012). There is nothing such as universal humour, some will find that funny, other stupid, and a few would consider it as insulting. But these remarks works for any article here or on uncyclopedia. So I will never erase this part of the article nor any other, it doesn't break any privacy or copyright rule, it's just using irony as humour, like almost all my articles.

And by the way another thing that is ironic, almost noone in France remember who is Dominique Duvauchelle. This article could also be considered by some clever people as a tribute to remember his name but apparentely they prefer considering this poor guy should be totally forgotten.

Now as XySmith said, I would really like to read their complain, I think this complain may be article material for me... Best regards. WiiKend - Ceci était une signature mai 1, 2015 à 16:44 (UTC)

To be clear: we aren't asking you to remove the section. :) We just wanted to make sure that it was okay.

I cannot pass on their complaint, sorry. Tickets we receive via Special:Contact are private, and it wouldn't be fair for me to write it here. I did tell them about discussing it on this community, if they want. Kirkburn (talk) mai 1, 2015 à 17:03 (UTC)

I understand but I think what you ask me is pretty useless... How could I condiser my own article unsuitable or inapropriate? If I think that, I would have not published it in the first place. There should be an independant person deciding for this kind of matter. WiiKend - Ceci était une signature mai 1, 2015 à 20:12 (UTC)